Kent Hovind Speaks Out

Nearly two weeks after Hovind’s arrest, there’s still nothing about it on drdino.com, but now Kent has posted
an entry
on his weblog.

He describes the arrest as an Elian Gonzales-style SWAT raid:

No, they brought in a swat team to drag my sick wife out of bed and handcuffed her in her nightgown. They refused to let her get dressed, put on a robe or even go to the bathroom even though she begged for these simple courtesies. The agents rushed her and I into a squad car then into a freezing cell for 3 hrs!

Given Hovind’s predilection for, um, having a unique take on events, I advise taking this with a grain of salt. On one hand, even if he wasn’t considered a physical risk, what with his guns and all, I suspect it’s standard procedure not to give the suspects the opportunity to destroy evidence. Also, he says they were taken to the station in “a squad car”. If it had really been an all-out Waco-style raid, I suspect the police would’ve brought a paddy-wagon.

Will the pastors and other Christians who have spread malicious rumors about me repent, apologize and undo the damages? […] Will they send gifts (v. [Job 42:]8) to the ministry to help repair the damage their unfounded gossip has done?

How’s that for chutzpah? He’s been arrested for all sorts of financial shenanigans, having set up his church as a front, and now he’s asking for more money!

The IRS has taken all the church ministry donations for the year and called it Kent Hovind’s personal income. This is silly. Any church with 30+ staff will need a large operating budget. That does not mean it all belongs to the pastor as personal income!

True, but when the pastor in question claims to have no income yet manages to withdraw half a million bucks from the bank, something funny’s going on.

I have has said many times, “If you are taking lots of flack that proves you are over the target!” This recent flack just proves we are right on target in the message on creation and just strengthens my resolve to keep preaching.

So preaching creationism necessarily involves playing silly buggers in a way designed to attract the attention of the IRS? Good to know that.

And now, the moment you’ve all been waiting for:

Read the book of Acts and see if it is normal for Christians to be treated this way.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

It just wouldn’t be authentic if he didn’t play the Christian persecution card.

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98 Responses to Kent Hovind Speaks Out

  1. Matte says:

    Simple-Minded Nation by Chosen Complication

    Replicated in this generation are many illustrations that we often allude to in casual conversation. We, as God-fearing people are so quick to notice the imperfections of others and so adept at analyzing the actions of our brethren, albeit, we even refer to the parables or prophetic statements found in the Good Book. However, when, and if we examine our own lives, we forget the beam that is present in our view and stumble to our neighbour’s rapidly without apprehension, in order to remove the speck that is so visible to us.

    Why do preachers whether ‘Independent Baptist’ or otherwise perfectly indoctrinated by religious philosophy (according to his/her dogma) use the very illustrations that are depicted in the lives of so many persecuted Christians today yet fail to apply them in the lives of those surrounding us? We can easily recall Daniel being thrown into the den of lions, Jeremiah’s imprisonment, Job’s sores and loss of his entire heritage, the beheading of John the Baptist, Paul’s incarceration, and so forth; however, when one of our very own is wounded or accused, such as creationist Kent Hovind, we forget the parables taught of Jesus regarding Pharisaic hypocrisy. We are often the first ones to cast stones at our own brethren, the devil need not apply. The world simply replies with additional lies, and our bubbled Christian communities, perfect in our own right, dismiss the accused as being wrought full of sin or labeled unsaved.

    We are so much like Job’s counterparts that we don’t even notice our own deceptive thoughts, in the judgment of others; we ought to be ashamed: who is good again? Oh, yes fellow Independent Baptist citizen, thou art?! Did not David, by inspiration of God write in the Psalms that none, not even one, is good? Perhaps, we should examine ourselves honestly and more scrupulously before we attest to current rumors or accusations of fellow brothers, because we might just find a beam in our own eye.

    Just for today, I will attempt to ignore gossip, and perhaps not believe everything I read or see in our media cluttered world. Just for today, I will pray for my brother in prison and not ask myself what sin he committed because I recall a God-fearing man by the name of Job in The Old Testament and quickly this story apprehends me, oh, am I kicking dust like Job’s so-called friends – yes, I can see that I am imperfect as well, I also remember that Christ died for a wretch just like me…. and the stones were all dropped, for none by the courts were found without sin.

    Matthew A.J. Carriere
    January 2008-

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  2. arensb says:

    Matte:

    Just for today, I will pray for my brother in prison and not ask myself what sin he committed because I recall a God-fearing man by the name of Job in The Old Testament and quickly this story apprehends me,

    So what are you saying? That God and Satan are playing a cosmic game of “I can make your dog bite you if I kick him enough” with Kent Hovind?

    Also, who is this Chosen Complication whose piece you copied and pasted?

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  3. Momof5 says:

    Mr. Hovind is one of the most remarkable man that I have had the honor to know through his dvd’s. All negative comments on this blog about him are from people who truly don’t understand Gods words. Read the bible and watch his dvd’s then you will become wise to the facts and know the truth. Mr. Hovind helps us understand the garbage filled science books the schools forces on our children’s innocent minds so we can teach our children the truth.

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  4. Eamon Knight says:

    What rock do these Hovindophiles keep crawling out from under?

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  5. arensb says:

    There’s a link to another of my posts at http://www.kent-hovind.com/. A lot of Hovindites also apparently want to see whether he has a weblog, and mine is one that pops up in Google.

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  6. Voice of reason says:

    Penis enlargement??

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  7. Jimminy Cricket says:

    I have to shake my head when I read the evolutionary responses here. I’m on a few debate forums and see the identical debating tactics. Filled with derogatory putdowns and intellectual high-sounding verbosity and terminology, as a smoke screen to cover up the fact that if broken down, they haven’t really got a leg to evolve on.

    However, it SOUNDS intellectual and impressive, so it usually mesmorises both the ignorant and/or proud. Kind of an intellectual hypnosis 🙂 The more complexity they can use in their descriptions, the more they’ll intimidate the layperson and impress at the sametime. Alot of pontificating and ego massaging goes on and a heck of a lot of cover ups as well. Woe betide anybody that dares threaten their faith.

    Kent Hovind unfortunately leaves himself wide open because he states things openly, clearly, without unnecessary fancy sounding complexity, so that the layperson can readily understand, which is the biggest thread to the evolutionist who relies on fancy language to make a ludicrous idea sound impressive. He’s not perfect, nobody is. everybody also makes mistakes. But he covers alot of already obvious blatant cover ups, that even many evolutionists are aware of and embarrassed about. Why then do they keep turning up in mordern day textbooks? This is what Kent Hovind pretty much exposes.

    The evolutionist relies on billions and billions of years, to put across their theory. If you put enough time on something, you can come up with anything and make an illogical idea seem….possible. They go back to the land before time, out of the bounds of recorded history. The evolutionary “never never land” (it never happened, but we’ll pretend it did). This is their safety niche because it’s untestable territory (theirs alone). We cannot observe it, we cannot test it, we cannot prove what happened in the beginning, so they’ll tell us instead. Lots of animated drawings and descriptions of big bangs or primordial soup or whatever other theories with nice cartoons and lots of complex and impressive sounding explanations that have the audience in awe of these little men in white coats who werent there, don’t know anybody that was, yet for some reason have divine knowledge of how it all began (yet denying themselves denying divinity).

    Every living creature reproduces after its own kind. We see this today, we’ve always seen this…history has shown this consistently and repeatedly…yet they want us to believe that somewhere, sometime, somehow it really wasn’t always like this and once upon a land before time, all of what we observe around us came from? (and then you’ll get the high sounding complex explanations). Basically all the ingredients for life to begin and be sustained, came from non purpose, non intelligence, non design. So something without intent, somehow had all the ingredients to spontaneously erupt into a miraculous process of evolution. And all that was required was “time”. And from this? the natural laws of the universe itself, the balance of the solar system, the sun by day, the moon by night. The plants/trees producing food, the incredible varieties of animals. The seasons. Emotions, imagination, intelligence, personality. Oh all these things by the way stem from chance random processes without knowledge or purpose or creation.

    The thing is, why are we trusting in the products of chance random processes (evolutionists) to each us about our origins? If that is what they erupted from, then their theories reflect the same. Makes you wonder why they’re debating at all, when they come from no purpose whatsoever and are heading back to the same thing ( a dead end).

    Their theory is swiss cheese. But so many fall for it because the alternative is unthinkable to them. So whilst they bluff and bluster their way under the cloak of apparent “science”, the creationist continues to watch as the evolution theory becomes increasingly exposed. the greatest enemy to an evolutionist is an ex evolutionist. These are the guys you really want to watch. They know all the tricks, all the fancy terminology 😉

    Everything in life has an author/designer. Nothing erupts from nothing, it already has to exist and it must exist with its original information in order to reproduce the same, or be mixed with something else to produce a chemically altered structure. These things do not just spontaneously evolve. This is wishful thinking. I’ve never yet seen ANY proofs that something simple in life has evolved into anything complex. Existence didn’t arrive from non existence or single celled organisms, and this kind of incredible complexity did not come from promordial soups or big bangs. This is just a pile of absolute propogated garbage designed by liars with agendas and Phds (post-hole diggers) and nothing more.

    Any creationist who dares to challenge their theory is up against an incredible amount of arrogant putdowns because this is the only way they win arguments. I’ve seen it time and time again and am seeing it on here. I can only say to you laypeople, don’t be fooled by it (as I’m sure you’re not). This is how they intimidate their students too by the way, either into shutting up or falling in with their beliefs. You won’t get your science degree unless you fall in with evolution. Some go along with it just so they can get through. It’s nasty tactic, but works. If you make someone feel like an intellectual moron and make them feel like the minority? This is how you’ll win them over to your side.

    Watch out for the new movie coming our way 😀 Called “Xpelled”. Hitting theatres soon. Are we really just “lucky mud”? I think not!

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  8. Jimminy Cricket says:

    “Eamon Knight Says:
    February 1st, 2008 at 8:19 pm
    What rock do these Hovindophiles keep crawling out from under?”

    The same rocks you evolved from probably. Anything is possible you know. Take your pick. Promordial soup or big bang? IT’s anybody’s guess. That reminds me, soup….I must go and have some before time and chance have their way with it and it becomes animated.

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  9. arensb says:

    Jimminy (sic) Cricket:

    Filled with derogatory putdowns and intellectual high-sounding verbosity and terminology, as a smoke screen to cover up the fact that if broken down, they haven’t really got a leg to evolve on.

    Gee, project much?

    You may want to learn what evolution is from actual scientists before you spout off about it. And if you can’t do that, then please at least don’t breed or vote.

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  10. Fez says:

    That reminds me, soup….I must go and have some before time and chance have their way with it and it becomes animated.

    Then you should probably teach your mom how to safely prepare food for you.

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  11. Lin says:

    People, please stop hiding behind your insults, this blog is starting to get real boring because of it. Start a topic, for instance “Supernova’s” or another topic if you so wish and get the REAL SCIENCE talk going! Otherwise this blog is not making any sense.

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  12. Lin says:

    Probably the reason why the last entry was in March. It just makes absolutely NO SENSE.

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  13. SUMMER says:

    ARENSB HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED DR HOVINDS SEMINARS, CUZ IF U ARE AS SMART AS U “THINK” U ARE YOU WOULD REALIZE HES GOT A POINT, AND EVOLUTION IS NOT REAL. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIS DEBATES YOUR EVOLUTION BELIEVER EXPERTS CANT TOUCH HIM

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  14. arensb says:

    Summer-in-all-caps:

    ARENSB

    Please turn off your CapsLock key. You’re giving me a headache from all that shouting.

    HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED DR HOVINDS SEMINARS,

    Yup. Several times. Laughed my ass off.

    I’ve even met him in person, back before Uncle Sam offered him room and board.

    CUZ IF U ARE AS SMART AS U “THINK” U ARE YOU WOULD REALIZE HES GOT A POINT,

    True, but he can comb over it.

    HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIS DEBATES YOUR EVOLUTION BELIEVER EXPERTS CANT TOUCH HIM

    I’m not surprised that you think so, but then again you fundies have never been big on, like, education and critical thinking and stuff. As someone once said, debating creationists is like playing chess against a monkey: they think they’ve won if they’ve eaten all the pieces.

    PS: given your command of spelling, grammar, and punctuation, you might benefit from another post of mine.

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  15. Fez says:

    arensb,

    As someone once said, debating creationists is like playing chess against a monkey: they think they’ve won if they’ve eaten all the pieces.

    In this case the monkey thinks it wins with mindless screeching.

    and SUMMER,

    YOUR EVOLUTION BELIEVER EXPERTS CANT TOUCH HIM

    You’re right about that – because he’s in jail! Now go have yourself a nice cup of shut-the-fuck-up.

    Goddamn but Hovind must have had some valid point; you’re not actually human. You must be the result of design-by-committee. You’re individually and collectively too fucking stupid to have survived in the wild for a period of time sufficient to have evolved opposable thumbs.

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  16. David says:

    I have only recently started to watch Kent’s seminars; luckily I didn’t know he was in jail until after I finished watching all of them (and his debates) because I might have been put off by his message.

    He teaches some amazing information, but its just information; he makes some mistakes (in my eyes) and he can’t teach it as a fact, and he has never claimed to do so unlike evolution. (He refers to his young earth “theory” not young earth “fact”)

    After reading through the comments made, you can’t help but notice arensb. Is it your life’s work to prove Kent wrong? What are your motives? Seems to me your motive can’t be “Kent is teaching lies, it’s my duty to tell people” which would be noble, but your attitude tells a different story. You attack people’s ideas and opinions by attacking them personally to discredit them, you sound very intelligent but you also sound like a complete arse. Why don’t you argue your points with just the facts you have and stop arguing to discredit and put yourself in the limelight?

    Ok, now that’s off my chest, let me give you some background information about me and my beliefs.

    I was a believer in evolution until I was about 16 because I was taught that evolution is a fact, certain aspects are fact like micro-evolution but the rest is just pure guess work. There is no possible way you can prove that we evolved from a rock as Kent would say, you have to have faith to believe something like that. It is exactly the same as me believing in the Bible, I have to have faith in parts of the scriptures because I don’t understand all of it, but having faith in evolution is just plain silly, it’s a theory that doesn’t deserve faith. It shouldn’t be taught in schools as a fact when it obviously isn’t, and that’s one argument you just can’t win.

    Arensb:

    I think you mentioned somewhere in the comments section that gravity isn’t proven but is accepted as scientific fact or something like that, so it must be the same as evolution.

    Your thinking process is very dangerous here, you are basically saying because gravity can’t be proven and only observed it is accepted as fact, and that evolution should be believed because the same thinking process worked for gravity, so it will work for evolution, is that not teaching people to be gullible?

    It is pretty obvious that gravity exists but I wouldn’t bet my life on it because I haven’t seen the evidence, it’s pretty obvious certain aspects of evolution exist, but there’s no way I would bet my life and soul on that either, that’s just a bad bet!

    What evolution is teaching is that we are gradually changing over long periods of time into different kinds of animals, we ‘Adapt’ over time to suit our surroundings, but can we completely change into a shark for example if we had enough time and the surroundings were favourable? That’s up to you to ‘believe’, there’s certainly no evidence that this is true, the only evidence we have is for minor changes in animals to help them cope better with their environment. So why that is taught in schools as fact is beyond me, and it’s completely wrong. I bet if your child was being taught 2+2=7 you wouldn’t be too happy, when your child goes out into the world they wouldn’t get very far with that knowledge.

    That’s enough from me today, arensb if you would like to discuss this further please be nice, I am not ignorant and if you do decide to be an arse I will treat you the same and reaaally make you look silly 🙂

    Have a nice day!

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  17. David says:

    Jimminy Cricket, you hit the nail on the head!

    I have to shake my head when I read the evolutionary responses here. I’m on a few debate forums and see the identical debating tactics. Filled with derogatory putdowns and intellectual high-sounding verbosity and terminology, as a smoke screen to cover up the fact that if broken down, they haven’t really got a leg to evolve on.

    However, it SOUNDS intellectual and impressive, so it usually mesmorises both the ignorant and/or proud. Kind of an intellectual hypnosis The more complexity they can use in their descriptions, the more they’ll intimidate the layperson and impress at the sametime. Alot of pontificating and ego massaging goes on and a heck of a lot of cover ups as well. Woe betide anybody that dares threaten their faith.

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  18. arensb says:

    David:

    but the rest is just pure guess work.

    Clearly you are tragically ignorant of the evidence for evolution and common descent. Also, go read up and come back when you’ve learned something.

    There is no possible way you can prove that we evolved from a rock as Kent would say

    Are you erecting this strawman because you’re dishonest, or because you don’t know any better? I’m going to assume the latter for the time being. Go look up the difference between evolution and abiogenesis.

    It is exactly the same as me believing in the Bible, I have to have faith in parts of the scriptures

    Wait, isn’t faith supposed to be a good thing?

    and that’s one argument you just can’t win.

    Not against someone who refuses to learn, that’s for sure.

    I think you mentioned somewhere in the comments section that gravity isn’t proven but is accepted as scientific fact or something like that, so it must be the same as evolution.

    Go reread that. I said that our current theories of gravity aren’t 100% proven. Nor has evolution. That’s because nothing ever gets 100% proven in science.

    Your thinking process is very dangerous here, you are basically saying because gravity can’t be proven and only observed it is accepted as fact, and that evolution should be believed because the same thinking process worked for gravity, so it will work for evolution, is that not teaching people to be gullible?

    Nope. I’m saying that you should give up any quest for absolute certainty, because the only way you’ll find it is by fooling yourself. Both gravity and evolution have been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt, and we have theories that explain both, and do so quite well. Oh, and unlike gravity, the theory of evolution has an underlying mechanism that explains what we see, so it’s arguably on a more solid footing than gravity.

    Oh, and add the difference between fact and theory (in a scientific context) to your list of things to look up.

    there’s no way I would bet my life and soul on that

    And once again we come back to the threat of eternal punishment. Do you people really enjoy living your lives in fear like this?

    but can we completely change into a shark for example if we had enough time and the surroundings were favourable?

    What, you mean like dolphins?

    there’s certainly no evidence that this is true

    Aside from the genetic and fossil evidence, of course.

    I am not ignorant

    Yes you are, and it’s blatantly obvious to anyone with a clue on this subject. Note that I’m not calling you stupid; I’m just saying that you don’t know what the theory of evolution is, what biologists claim, or what evidence there is to support these claims.

    Furthermore, it sounds as though you’re afraid of learning for fear of tortured forever by a magic man who thinks you’re being disloyal.

    Go read, say, The Blind Watchmaker or Climbing Mount Improbable if you have the balls. Or if you can’t even be arsed to go down to the library, then at least read Berkeley’s evolution site.

    And while you’re at it, maybe you can answer a question that no creationist has ever answered, to my knowledge: if common descent isn’t true, then how do you explain the various nested hierarchies we see in living beings?

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  19. David Ball says:

    arensb:

    Clearly you are tragically ignorant of the evidence for evolution and common descent. Also, go read up and come back when you’ve learned something.

    There you go again making a statement that clearly defines me as ignorant, maybe you should wait until you know why I believe certain theories and not others, tragically ignorant? You really like to enforce your belief of being superior don’t you, just calm yourself and state your facts like an adult. You have interpreted so called evidence using flawed methods, you tell me specific evidence and I will debunk it, don’t generalise the evidence give an example of one and I will put it right.

    Are you erecting this strawman because you’re dishonest, or because you don’t know any better? I’m going to assume the latter for the time being. Go look up the difference between evolution and abiogenesis.

    Do I sound dishonest? Do I sound like I don’t know what I am talking about? Why can’t you just keep to the facts? Are you saying it’s a fact and evidence clearly shows we come from a rock? You can’t say that is a fact because you have never witnessed it and you never will.

    Wait, isn’t faith supposed to be a good thing?

    Yh it is, what’s your point?

    Not against someone who refuses to learn, that’s for sure.

    Teach me! If you know something I don’t, teach me, I want to learn and with the current knowledge I have I don’t believe in evolution, micro-evolution yes. There is no way you know everything, yet you assume you know more than me, maybe you do I don’t know you too well, just give me the facts.

    Go reread that. I said that our current theories of gravity aren’t 100% proven. Nor has evolution. That’s because nothing ever gets 100% proven in science.

    Yes it does, does water freeze at 32 degrees Fahrenheit? I thought that was a scientific fact.

    Nope. I’m saying that you should give up any quest for absolute certainty, because the only way you’ll find it is by fooling yourself. Both gravity and evolution have been demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt, and we have theories that explain both, and do so quite well. Oh, and unlike gravity, the theory of evolution has an underlying mechanism that explains what we see, so it’s arguably on a more solid footing than gravity.
    Oh, and add the difference between fact and theory (in a scientific context) to your list of things to look up.

    Oh come on you think I am stupid, scientific theory is used to explain something that has been observed. Doesn’t the name explain for itself? A fact is something we know for certain, like water freezing at 32 degrees Fahrenheit. You have tripped up on this one.

    And once again we come back to the threat of eternal punishment. Do you people really enjoy living your lives in fear like this?

    Let’s assume I am right, and we will be judged by God the creator, and he is as powerful as he claims, and that he created everything, does he not have the right to judge us and pass punishment? Actually it’s not God passing punishment, you are simply being denied entry into heaven and the alternative happens to be hell. So yes you need to be fearful to a certain degree, I would rather be fearful of our creator rather than fearful of having no purpose in life and that we came from a rock, how important must I be? If evolution can be proven I will have to accept that fact, until then my fear lies with God.

    Aside from the genetic and fossil evidence, of course.

    Okay, give me one example so we can debate on more specifics.

    Yes you are, and it’s blatantly obvious to anyone with a clue on this subject. Note that I’m not calling you stupid; I’m just saying that you don’t know what the theory of evolution is, what biologists claim, or what evidence there is to support these claims.
    Furthermore, it sounds as though you’re afraid of learning for fear of tortured forever by a magic man who thinks you’re being disloyal.
    Go read, say, The Blind Watchmaker or Climbing Mount Improbable if you have the balls. Or if you can’t even be arsed to go down to the library, then at least read Berkeley’s evolution site.
    And while you’re at it, maybe you can answer a question that no creationist has ever answered, to my knowledge: if common descent isn’t true, then how do you explain the various nested hierarchies we see in living beings?

    No I am not blatantly ignorant on this subject, I will tell you why you assume that, you are jumping to your own conclusion that if someone disagrees with you they are wrong and ignorant of the subject, that is ignorance in its purity my friend.

    The theory of evolution is that we are gradually evolving through natural selection and environmental conditions. I have heard most of the evidence for evolution, I don’t buy it, give me some examples that convince you that it’s true and I will debunk them.

    I enjoy learning, but you will never prove God doesn’t exist, you will never prove evolution is a fact because you can’t witness either except for micro-evolution which I have already stated I believe happens. I became a Christian out of curiosity not fear, so the fear argument doesn’t work.

    That question was answered along time ago by Kent Hovind, nested hierarchies doesn’t prove anything, and it could imply evolution is true but it could also imply a common, intelligent designer.

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  20. arensb says:

    David Ball:

    Do I sound dishonest?

    No, just misled. That’s why I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.

    Do I sound like I don’t know what I am talking about?

    Yes.

    Teach me!

    Have you gone through all the links and books I referred you in my previous comment already? Then you may be interested in reading Stephen Jay Gould’s The Structure of Evolutionary Theory, which gives an overview of the field as of a few years ago.

    Yes it does, does water freeze at 32 degrees Fahrenheit? I thought that was a scientific fact.

    It has every time we’ve tried (I’m ignoring complicating factors like atmospheric pressure and whatnot), and there’s an explanatory framework that explains why that’s the case. That makes the statement “water freezes at 0°C” 99.99999[some number of 9s]% proven, but — and this is crucial — not 100%. There’s always a possibility, however slight, that the next time, things will turn out differently. However, the odds of that are so remote that it would be foolish not to accept for the time being that water freezes at 0°C.

    The same thing goes for the fact of evolution.

    Let’s assume I am right, and we will be judged by God the creator, and he is as powerful as he claims, and that he created everything, does he not have the right to judge us and pass punishment?

    No. You’re arguing that might makes right, and that’s abhorrent.

    I would rather be fearful of our creator rather than fearful of having no purpose in life and that we came from a rock

    Do you have so little imagination and aspiration that you can’t come up with a meaning for your own life? And why would it be scary if life had a natural origin? Are you so conceited as to believe that the universe was created with you in mind?

    Also, this is the second time you’ve used Hovind’s “life came from a rock” strawman. Keep this up, and I’ll stop rescuing your comments from the spam bin. Go read what actual scientists have to say about the origin of life. I can recomment Robert Hazen’s Genesis.

    Okay, give me one example so we can debate on more specifics.

    I linked to a bunch of papers on dolphin evolution. Pick something you disagree with. Except, of course, you haven’t bothered to read anything I linked to, have you?

    Or, if you’re not limiting yourself to dolphins, then you could try to explain the multiple nested hierarchies in life. You mentioned the common designer argument, but that doesn’t work: I’m asking why every creature with feathers also has wings. Why there isn’t a single species of bat with feathers. Why every species that lactates has lungs (why aren’t there any whales with gills?). Why isn’t there a single animal with wooden bones, or an insect with a wooden carapace? Why do fish have vertical tail fins (with the exception of obvious weirdoes like flounder and sole), while marine mammals like whales and dolphins have horizontal ones?

    In short, if a god designed all that, why was its imagination so limited? And please do try to come up with something better than “God wanted it that way”, because that doesn’t explain anything.

    Why does human chromosome 2 look like a fusion of ape chromosomes 2a and 2b, including the presence of at least one vestigial centromere, and the presence of vestigial telomeres in the middle?

    you will never prove evolution is a fact because you can’t witness either except for micro-evolution which I have already stated I believe happens.

    How do you define micro-evolution, and how would you be able to tell if macro-evolution had happened? Bear in mind that speciation has been observed both in the lab and in the wild. Also, look up the appearance of nylonase in Flavobacterium.

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  21. David Ball says:

    okay arensb, you have given me a lot to look into. I will get back to you once I have gone through it all.

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  22. Fez says:

    Dare I say, a hopeful sign that someone has appeared who might be self aware enough to accept that they do not have all the answers? One who might want to debate, learn, and teach without parroting the same tired, dis-proven aphorisms of YECs elsewhere and elsewhen?

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  23. Fez says:

    Oh false hope you are a cruel temptress.

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  24. arensb says:

    Give him time. He’s got a lot to go through. For all I know, he may even have stumbled upon Mark Isaak’s Index of Creationist Claims, and is finding out that all of his arguments have been raised and refuted a thousand times over the past 100 years.

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  25. Snowflake says:

    2 Peter 3; Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts.

    Proverbs 18:1-7
    He who separates himself seeks his own desire,
    He quarrels against all sound wisdom.
    A fool does not delight in understanding,
    But only in revealing his own mind.
    When a wicked man comes, contempt also comes,
    And with dishonor comes scorn.
    …………………………….
    A fool’s lips bring strife,
    And his mouth calls for blows.
    A fool’s mouth is his ruin,
    And his lips are the snare of his soul.

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  26. Fez says:

    Snowflake:

    Isiah 2:22:

    Stop trusting in man, who has but a breath in his nostrils. Of what account is he?

    Or to translate to more modern parlance; if you have nothing to add except whatever misunderstood bible passage you’re currently working through in remedial English: Shut. Up.

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  27. arensb says:

    Snowflake:

    whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. — Matthew 5:22

    (I’m pretty sure Jesus trumps a proverb.)

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  28. Fez says:

    arensb:

    Hey, this is kind of fun.

    Ezra 5:7;

    Cordial greetings

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  29. arensb says:

    “There is no God”Deuteronomy 32:392 Chronicles 6:141 Kings 8:232 Kings 1:162 Kings 5:15Isaiah 44:6,8, 45:5,14,21Psalm 14:1, 53:1

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  30. Fez says:

    I’d like to go all the way back to SUMMER:

    ARENSB HAVE YOU EVEN WATCHED DR HOVINDS SEMINARS, CUZ IF U ARE AS SMART AS U “THINK” U ARE YOU WOULD REALIZE HES GOT A POINT, AND EVOLUTION IS NOT REAL. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HIS DEBATES YOUR EVOLUTION BELIEVER EXPERTS CANT TOUCH HIM

    And Psalm 55:9,

    Confuse the wicked, O Lord, confound their speech

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  31. arensb says:

    Can’t forget the classics:

    “[Judas] went and hanged himself.” — Matt. 27:5
    “Go, and do thou likewise.” — Luke 10:37

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  32. Vitaly says:

    Sorry anybody, i’m not good in english, can anybody please tell me, what word does Hovind say in his Age of earth (2) seminar when he tells a brainwashing story starting with “Once upon the time a man left home …”, what word is going next?
    Thanks.

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  33. arensb says:

    Vitaly:
    Sorry, I don’t know which story you mean, so I can’t help you.

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  34. Vitaly says:

    Have anybody seen a film “Zeitgeist”? There is an opinion that the bible is just astronomical-astrological book. In ancient Egypt people worshipped Horus (a solar god in Egyptian mythology) couse they knew that sun is life. They also observed stars and to make it more easy-to-use they created constelations and cross of zodiac with 12 constelations and sun in center. They could predict some events like eclipses, fullmoon, and so on for example aquarius meant spring rains.
    Story of Horus:
    Born on Dec 25th
    Born of a virgin
    was teacher at 12
    baptized at 30
    had 12 disciples
    he performed micacles like healing and walking on water.
    He was crucified
    Dead for 3 days
    Then resurrected

    Many gods have the same biography all over the time in religions of many nations (ATTIS, Dionysus, Mithra, Salvahana,Chrishna,Zulis,Osiris,Orus,Odin,Deva,Alcides,Mikado,Beddru,Hesus……… )also the Jesus has the same story.
    As said in Bible three kings follow the star in the East to find place of birth of god’s son. The Sirius (star in the east) at 24 dec. makes a line in night sky with three bright stars(three kings), that line points to the place where the Sun will rise at 25 dec (time of god’s son birth). Many of events all along the Bible are astronomical events. For example when Moses came to pagans to punish them for worshiping the golden taurus, that meant the end of taurus age and start of age of Aries(Moses).

    But the essence of the matter is that religion was made to manipulate people in the world from the very begining of mankind existence. I advice you to watch that movie. “Zeitgeist”.

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  35. arensb says:

    Vitaly:
    I haven’t seen Zeitgeist, but from what I’ve heard, it’s a lot of mostly-crap. Or, perhaps more charitably, poorly-researched and misleading.

    The Iron Chariots wiki puts it this way:

    Much of it is interesting until you look deeper into it

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  36. Vitaly says:

    i have read critic on http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/. But i still think that movie isn’t built without any basement.

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  37. Dave says:

    Kent Hovind logs sure are weird? His latest log relays a case where a missionary lost his 3 kids and wife, but don’t worry, it’s all in Gods plan. Also, Kent acts as if he speaks to God on a regular basis. Has he broken down mentally? Really weird shit! Just proves what a lie the bible is.

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  38. Hellbound says:

    I bore witness (unfortunately) to Hovind’s melodrama at his speech at Truman State University (Kirksville, Missouri) in autumn of 2001. His, uh, presentation began with the statement, “Evolution is a retarded fairy tale for adults.” Yes, he said “retarded.”

    This travesty was the kick-off event for the newly formed TSU branch of (Phyllis Schlafly’s) Eagle Forum Collegians. The branch, small though it was, caved during the same school year. The student VP of the branch said something about ethical concerns about the organization. The student president was a mess, and letigious enough to sue if he ever reads this. (Perhaps he can tell the judge and the rest of the courtroom about driving around barefoot, throwing fireworks out of his car window. That was a good story.)

    Aside from the fact that Creationists like to ignore the fact that proponents of evolutionary theory include more Christians than atheists, I really like how Hovind was professional enough to start off with the word “retarded.” How much respect would we all have for people like Albert Einstein, or Stephen Hawking, if they just went around proclaiming everything they didn’t agree with to be “retarded”? How much credibility does that really lend your case? … OK, so you don’t have to be pretentious or even well-spoken to know the truth when you (think you) see it. And God knows how folks with no college education love to point out how it’s just a piece of paper. Call me crazy, but I like my doctors, lawyers, and yes, even plumbers, to be educated! (If knowledge grew on trees, … well, nevermind. I suppose The Bible already addressed that.) A little knowledge will get you places in this world! And Hovind? He’s havin’ none of that! Hovind’s PhD comes from an unaccredited degree mill formerly known as Patriot University. His doctoral dissertation is allegedly a 250-page rant on the “evils” of teaching evolution in schools.

    Hovind is in prison for a reason. It’s all too easy to call it a conspiracy, or blame the Devil (which I believe he actually did in his prison blog). And citing the Bible out of context on matters of persecution against Christians? Cheap parlor trick. Makes it seem like God has it all planned out and he’s gonna spring Hovind at just the right point in time … like Armageddon and the Devil, who won’t be taken care of until God is good and ready, right? Hovind’s criminal activities have nothing to do with persecution of the Christians. He’s going to serve his time, just like all of the other Christians who commit crimes. And all of them will be kept good company by the Jews who commit crimes, the Hindus who commit crimes, the atheists and agnostics, the Muslims, etc.

    That’s life. It’s not prophesy. It’s not even important! To those Christians who “believe” in the truth of Creationism: Pick another village idiot to follow around and praise! (Michael Behe, perhaps.)

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  39. hanntonn says:

    I have seen a lot of this debate and it is so simple to answer the question that it is clear that people have a moral motivation when they don’t see the obvious.
    If you agree in the evolution, then, there are no right or wrong. If someone had the power over everyone on this earth, nobody could convince him to not do something wrong to them. If we expand that, we can see that if someone rape woman, he is not wrong until he get caught. If he never get caught, then is did something right, because the definition of right and wrong comes from strenght in the theory of evolution. This is why I say to every evolutionist on this blog that if you do believe there is no God, you are potentially a danger to society. If you don’t think I’m right, then you are close minded on that theory.
    If you are a theist and that you believe in God and also in evolution, I say that this is incoherent with nature. God do not contradict himself. This is the proof evolution is wrong.

    Evolutionists say that the evolution work by random chance. Random? not really. it selects the best workable combinations to make up the universe. But at the beginning, the Big Bang occured by chance.
    Now, that theory is BLASTED by the second law of thermodynamics. Everything in the universe runs toward disorganisation and chaos. The universe is cooling down. magnetic fields of planets are weekening. stars are exploding faster than they happear. I know it is possible for believers in God to think God made the evolution by a long succession of miracles and I won’t argue with these people because they are not dangerous to the morality of human beings. But I find that evolutionists have a very deep faith in chance to believe all of this would form in 15 billions years through a serie of transformations that always went toward the achievement of our world. How is chance choosing what is more fit to work in the universe. What is the value of life to chance? Is a human life superior to a rock in space so that chance would let life survive and the rock disappear? No. In fact, if we base our understanding on the second law of thermodynamics (one of the most well proved theory), we understand that a rock is more fit to survive than life. If you put a bird in space, it will explode, but a rock will not necessarily explode. So, the natural selection would make the rock survive and the bird die if our planet would explode today. It is very simple to see that the simplests in our world are the fittests. Can you make every bacteria die has easily has humans? No. This is because they are more simple. Can you make every rock crumble into sand has easily has to kill every animals? No. Rock is more simple than life. There is even rock on every planet. Finally, can you destroy the structure of the atom of every one of them. No. This is impossible. And yet, an atom is something more simple than a rock. The fact that the simplest is the fittest shows that if evolution were true, the universe would be a large cloud of dust. It would never have become our universe and if it had started somehow to build itself, why would the universe not destoy itself right at the beginning by collision of planet and stars. In fact, there would have been less than 1 chance / 100000000 (hundred of zeros) that the Big Bang would not have resulted in a cloud of dust because the result of an explosion without laws is always disorganised. There are no sign of intelligence in explosions contrarily to what evolutionists think. I have never seen a bomb expode and build a temple in the process of the explosion. This is the same thing. Ok, this is the simple argument, I have explained it widely because I know most evolutionists don’t want to see that the second law of thermodynamics render the evolution impossible.
    The reason why they don’t want to see it is because of the morality behind the notion of a creator. But as I’ve showed, you can’t prove that a man like Hitler was wrong in killing jews if you’re an evolutionist.

    I’ve argued with some evolutionist about the fact that what Hitler did was in fact speeding the process of evolution. He told me that in doing so (killing people), we lose diversity and we get devolution. What he didn’t understand is that the process of natural selection (the strongest beating the weakest) is supposed to be the principle of evolution. Now, he was telling me that natural selection was the principle of devolution. How contradictory.

    I pray that any evolutionist here may see that there are no reason to hide from God in arguments. Apart from the fact that there are no proof of evolution, the second law of thermodynamics PROVE that the evolution do not work but devolution does work.
    The universe in running toward chaos says that law.

    Maybe I’ll repeat that sentence to make it understood as evolutionists do in trying to teach us evolution.

    The second law of thermodynamics render impossible the theory of evolution, DON’T YOU SEE IT.

    an explosion do not cause organisation DON’T YOU SEE IT.

    WAKE UP evolutionists. Don’t lose your soul in trying to justify the immorality.

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  40. Fez says:

    hanntonn:

    tl;dr , please get an education before you hurt someone.

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  41. arensb says:

    hanntonn:
    tl;dr as well, though from some phrases I picked up in passing, it looked like the biggest collection of errors and misconceptions I’ve seen since Hovind himself got hauled away to prison. You’ve been reading Ray “Banana man” Comfort, haven’t you?

    For someone who claims to have “seen a lot of this debate”, you sure haven’t spent any time looking at the science part of it, have you? You owe it to yourself to get an education, so why don’t you stop by Berkeley’s evolution site and find out what it is that biologists say, rather than what preachers like Hovind and Comfort claim that they say?

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  42. Troublesome Frog says:

    Now, that theory is BLASTED by the second law of thermodynamics. Everything in the universe runs toward disorganisation and chaos.

    That’s not what the second law of thermodnyamics says. FAIL.

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  43. arensb says:

    Evolutionists say that the evolution work by random chance.

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  44. menes777 says:

    I have never seen a bomb expode and build a temple in the process of the explosion.

    I have never seen anyone rise from the dead either so there goes the whole dying on the cross and rising from the dead scenario! Guess all you xians are believing in something that is false.

    BTW I have never seen a bomb expode either. Explode yes, but expode no.

    I’ve argued with some evolutionist about the fact that what Hitler did was in fact speeding the process of evolution. He told me that in doing so (killing people), we lose diversity and we get devolution. What he didn’t understand is that the process of natural selection (the strongest beating the weakest) is supposed to be the principle of evolution. Now, he was telling me that natural selection was the principle of devolution. How contradictory.

    It’s funny how that when someone doesn’t understand what they are being told they automatically change meanings to their own so they can pretend to have won the argument. First, Natural Selection is not the strongest besting the weakest. Natural Selection is the most fit to survive a particular situation. A Wholly Mammoth is much stronger than a mouse, but it’s not going to survive long in the desert. Secondly, what these evolutionists were trying to tell you is that in killing large groups of people you could be wiping out a favorable trait that hasn’t yet had the chance to spread. Imagine if one of those jews that were killed carried the working gene capable of making L-gulonolactone oxidase (the ability to make Vitamin C)? Also you omitted the fact that Hitler promoted the growth of one group of people rather than a more a diverse group, which I am sure these evolutionists most likely used in their arguments. It’s very sad how that many times after a debate is done, xians seem to omit only what they can use to support their arguments. Then come to faulty conclusions based on faulty logic that supports their views and then claim to have won the debate.

    The second law of thermodynamics render impossible the theory of evolution, DON’T YOU SEE IT.

    Since this guy can only seem to parrot that one statement, let’s look at what the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics really says. Looking at the Wiki (which everyone can see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics) there are 3 versions of the law. Let’s look at each one individually.

    In a system, a process that occurs will tend to increase the total entropy of the universe. Thus, while a system can undergo some physical process that decreases its own entropy, the entropy of the universe (which includes the system and its surroundings) must increase overall.

    So in other words, if one thing becomes more complex something else become less complex (or entropy must increase overall). Humans eat plants, the plants die (entropy), human digest the plants (entropy), and humans use the digested plants to grow and live (complexity). That’s a very crude example but you get the general idea from it.

    Heat generally cannot flow spontaneously from a material at lower temperature to a material at higher temperature. Informally, “Heat doesn’t flow from cold to hot (without work input)”, which is true obviously from ordinary experience.

    Pretty much refrigeration does not happen in nature without some work input, like a fridge requires electricity to run. However consider where that electricity comes from. Electricity can come from several sources such as Fossil Fuel, Nuclear and Solar (yes there other renewable sources). Fossil fuels come from the decaying of organic materials (ie entropy). Nuclear and Solar both come nuclear reactions (ie entropy). To put it simply evolution has been allowed to happen over billions of years on the backs of other processes where the entropy has increased. Yes overall the universe will eventually increase to the point to where life is not sustainable (and then continue on without life around to witness it’s progression), however that point in time is so far ahead in the future that it’s incalculable.

    It is impossible to convert heat completely into work in a cyclic process.

    That is, it is impossible to extract energy by heat from a high-temperature energy source and then convert all of the energy into work.

    In laymen’s terms you will never get a 1:1 ratio of work out of the energy you put into it. There is always going to be some loss in terms of energy, the most common of which is friction. Anothere way to look at this is that it takes 7 calories of fossil fuels to generate every 1 calorie that is consumed by Americans. Those fossil fuels having been formed over millions of years of processes that are completely fueled by entropy (excuse the pun). While this ratio might spell our doom unless we radically change how we grow our food, it in no ways debunks that the United States is an oil economy.

    What is sad is how many people are parroting what Kent, and now his son Eric, are putting out there. You cannot see that you have been conned because the con-man is a friendly and familiar face. He’s not selling you snake-oil or magic charms, he’s selling you what reinforces what you already believe in. Men like Jim Jones, Charles Manson, and Adolf Hitler all tricked people with what what they wanted to hear and what reinforced what they wanted to believe. Yet instead of control over you, Kent and his family only one want one thing, money. If you only take away one thing from this response, go check out DrDino.com and notice one of the first things you see on that page. For me it was a $35 book for sale. If you are really trying to minister to the lost, why put your wares up on the FRONT PAGE. Also that book (and many others like it) in question wasn’t aimed at non-believers, it was aimed at believers. He’s not trying to convert the lost or even milk the lost, he’s trying to milk you believers. Now I know someone is out there thinking “but isn’t Dawkins just trying to bilk you evolutionists out of your cash too?”. That would be true except for Dawkins never said (to my knowledge) that he was doing this ministry by faith alone and that he wasn’t going to charge for any of his materials. Either he lied to your or he’s not really getting the support from his god (and therefore had to start charging for his materials). Neither bold well for his credibility or faith, maybe god isn’t supporting him because he is such a liar and cheat?

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  45. Shane says:

    The fact that hovind is in jail, is bull crap. This is a man of God if I ever seen one. speaking the truth. I wonder if he will be in jail, at the fall of america, when russia defeats them, like jeremiah was.
    you know, so many people just assume, and make an ass out of themselves. well, he is in jail, I guess he is a criminal. Have you who have lived in the states looked at your justice system lately? is there any one that has researched 911? seen the movie loose change? terror storm? road to tyranny? or any other alex jones movies/documentaries?
    He is not in there justly! some people need to define these terms as kent hovind has in some of his older seminars. What is a ministry? what is a church?

    When Jesus came in the flesh, who is God almighty in the flesh. In Genesis 5, you go through the meaning of names and you get some thing like, man is appointed mortal sorrow, but the blessed God shall come down teaching that his death shall bring the disparing rest. When you look in daniel, it is told to the day, what day Jesus would present himself as king. 500 years in advance.
    When he came, what did they do to him!? He was God of the whole earth! He was the master! They mocked him! spit on him! did not believe him! treated him as a criminal! This man who was perfect! Perfect! He could have called how many legions of angels? do you know that one angel after supper killed, I think it was 180 and some thousand men, in the old testament. That was one angel.
    surly if he would have asked, the whole earth would have been wiped, and we would not exist in this generation. But by the mercy of God, by the grace of God, (that is my name by the way, the grace of the Lord) he did not ask for those angels. Thank you God, Thank you Jesus. Thank you Jesus…Thank you Jesus.
    If they killed, this perfect man, who was sinnles, but unjustly charged him with sin, the one who is at the top, who has all power, all authority, knows all things, knows the end from the beginning, how much more will they charge those who are under him. Those who are about his busness like Dr. Kent Hovind. Surly this man, will have such great riches in heaven, he could probably walk through them, non stop for 27 days, and not be through them all.

    Thank you Jesus for this man. Protect this man. Help this man to endure. Help this man to represent you well. Let him be lacking nothing, being that he is free, and there is no chains on this earth, or bars that can keep him, from being free. Let this man speak with a boldness, that is like that of John the baptist who had the spirit of elijah. Let him speak, like lou Engle speaks with fire. Let these people see, who have accused him, let them see, how righteous this man is. I believe he is. Take away there peace, do not let them sleep. Send your angels, like you did to duduman, when he was on the ship. Rebuke them. even though they try to burn, or put away from themselfs there conscience, let it not be put away from them. Let them not have an ounce of peace, and let them know why. Let this man of yours, He is your man, be diligent with his time. I pray, speak to him, to let him know your will for the times, how to make use of his time. I ask for revelations. visions. what ever super natural thing God, that you think he needs. Let him have no needs, but let them all be met, but not my will but yours be done. I know you have a perpose in suffering as it produces perserverance.
    If any one agrees, who knows the Lord, who knows the meaning of LIFE! let them say amen!

    All of these hate sites, are bull crap. you scoffers laugh at what you don’t know. Jesus spoke of you when he said father forgive them, for they know not what they do. But God is going to hold alot of people to account just by the creation. do you know what beauty is? could you put a formula on it? even if you could do that, why is it that way and not another way. when you look in the mirror, you who are children and those of you who are grown, do you know why there is a part of you that says, you were destined for greatness? it is because you are made in the image of God. so knowing this, you better find out who he is and what he wants.
    If you made a drill, needing some thing that needed to be drilled, and gave the drill free will, but the drill then said, I want to be a saw, and even I am a saw. and would not work, would not achive its purpose, would not repend,that is turn away from that, what would you do with that drill? What do you do with a drill that does not work? If you can not fix it, you throw it away. How long is it thrown away for? forever. does it ever again acheave the purpose it was designed for? 99 out of 100 times no. lest there is some garbage pickers at the dump, or some one is raised from the dead, which many have been, by the exeeding grace of God, mercy abundant mercy of God. Truly Gods mercy is beyond measure. His mercy endures forever!

    ah! you people that make fun a hovind. you need to read the book of job. some thing I have noticed, is that alot of people think that other people think like they think. and like Jesus said, sons of the devil, and went on to say, how he (the devil) was a liar from the beginning. and how alot of people that follow the devil, and are lying, just naturally think that every one else is. Every one else does not think you!

    There are so many baby christians, stop being babies, start to eat the word, every day, like a weight trainer, like a mighty man that trains and eats for battle, knowing that his life, and maybe the life of others may be in danger. How long can you live, with out eating? The scripture says, you shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus said, I am the bread of life. scripture says, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. walk by faith and not by sight. The just shall live by faith.

    these people that say hovind is about the money. That is bull crap! If you ever get into ministering to people. If you ever get a glimpse of eternity, and comprehend, that hell is forever, and that people are going there so fast. I am sure the volume of peoples bodies would be more than that of the water that is going over the edge at niagra falls. speaking for myself, I have invested alot, and do every paycheck, and probably if I scrounged up all of my change at the moment it would not be more than 5 bucks. so I give alot of stuff away, and I don’t charge any thing, but I can only give so much, and then, I am out. and I am idel. and I wish then, and now, I had more money, so I could invest in more things to give away, that people, christians would be built up, and be able to defend there faith. I have talked to some that believe they are just born into it, and they live like sons of the devil. I have copied alot of materials on hell. That people would know it is a real place. Do you see the problem though. The world runs on money. that is a natural statment, and not 100% true. I think I have made my point though.

    regarding free energy, I seen some one was talking about that. There is lots, lots of free energy things out there. nikola tesla 4 battery switch. zero point energy. HHO hydrogen fuel cell technology, splitting water, which is hydrogen and oxygen which when separated are burnable. stanly meyer was shot. why? that is the question. for some it is a question of price. keep on making millions and billions of dollars or spend maybe $50,000 to hire some one to shoot him. get what I mean? I am guessing on that price.
    where would we be with free fuel, and free power? alot more prosperous that is for sure. not paying power companies or gas companies. I was listening to I think it was the prophecy club and they said some scripture out of the bible, and it led me to think that hydrogen power is talked about in the bible. ya you people got to go and find out these things. nikola tesla, the guy that gave us electricity, florecent bulbs, radio, ac electricity, and how many other countless things. He did not have validation issues. He was not told by an upper class, you can not do this, or this. He found out by trial and error. Scalar waves is some thing worth checking out to. large feild.

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  46. arensb says:

    Shane:
    tl;dr
    You lost me at “The fact that hovind is in jail, is bull crap.” The Federal Bureau of Prisons begs to differ.

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  47. Fez says:

    Shane Says:

    I think I have made my point though.

    Yes. I believe the point is you should avail yourself of the free health care in Canada.

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  48. Eamon Knight says:

    Wow. Kent Hovind-as-martyr, fundagelical babbling, 9/11 conspiracism, free energy — it’s not often one sees that much crazy jumbled together in one place.

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